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Post by Captain T'Pang on Jan 3, 2013 17:43:02 GMT -5
Just as a general RP question. I am curious about what relation the in game Battle Group Omega has in relation to our RP universe and more specifically what is the 22nd's relationship with it. Given that DO seems to be a combat oriented fleet, it seem like a natural choice to be part of such. But maybe not. Yeah I know I'm just looking for an excuse to wear the combat armor ICly Of course. But I did sort of think the concept was a good RP seed for both some cross faction RP and more importantly perhaps even some intership RP on occassion.
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Post by quinn6352 on Jan 3, 2013 18:09:52 GMT -5
its funny you should ask this. We just finished a GM discussion on this very topic...
Task Forces are Fleet-Based operational and organizational units consisting of multiple starships from a single specific Fleet...answerable to the Fleet's chain-of-command (I.E. Fleet Operational Directors and the Fleet Commander).
Battle Groups are demand-based forward-deployed combat units consisting of veteren forces from multiple fleets and multiple governments... answerable to a specific Theater Commander. Battle Groups are given operational authority over the units by the force's originating Command.
Battle Group Omega is an Anti-Borg forward-deployed military unit consisting of veteren anti-borg units and commanders from both the Starfleet and the Klingon Defense Force... who are answerable to the Battle Group Commander, Captain D'Vak of the U.S.S. Victory and the Commanding Officer, Borg Theater Operations, Vice Admiral Thon P'Trell.
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Post by Captain T'Pang on Jan 3, 2013 18:50:53 GMT -5
its funny you should ask this. We just finished a GM discussion on this very topic... Task Forces are Fleet-Based operational and organizational units consisting of multiple starships from a single specific Fleet...answerable to the Fleet's chain-of-command (I.E. Fleet Operational Directors and the Fleet Commander). Battle Groups are demand-based forward-deployed combat units consisting of veteren forces from multiple fleets and multiple governments... answerable to a specific Theater Commander. Battle Groups are given operational authority over the units by the force's originating Command. Battle Group Omega is an Anti-Borg forward-deployed military unit consisting of veteren anti-borg units and commanders from both the Starfleet and the Klingon Defense Force... who are answerable to the Battle Group Commander, Captain D'Vak of the U.S.S. Victory and the Commanding Officer, Borg Theater Operations, Vice Admiral Thon P'Trell. I know what Task Force Omega is I read the page on the STO wiki. I take it from this that Omega Force gear is something we wont be using ICly?
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Post by quinn6352 on Jan 3, 2013 19:00:06 GMT -5
Soory, i didnt see that part of the post when i originaly started writing the reply.
ICly... you can wear anything Starfleet Issued as long as your CO, XO, or Department Head says its cleared for use while on duty.
Thats the best answer i can give on that.
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Post by Captain Erys Murai on Jan 3, 2013 19:01:11 GMT -5
I read that as "you can wear anything you want"
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Post by Captain T'Pang on Jan 3, 2013 19:16:33 GMT -5
Soory, i didnt see that part of the post when i originaly started writing the reply. ICly... you can wear anything Starfleet Issued as long as your CO, XO, or Department Head says its cleared for use while on duty. Thats the best answer i can give on that. Its ok. I am not sure I am communicating my question very well. Too be sure this isn't just another uniform question. While I get that CO on ships can allow whatever uniform and gear they want. With repects to the Omega gear I was just wondering first if it was ICly considered standard Starfleet issue or not? Or is it limited to special groups? I assume the MACO armor is ICly considered standard issue for MACOs? Second since people have stated they thought a special game night (perhaps friday) where players from different ships could come togehter. One idea is to use a Task Force Omega style idea. Where various players from different ships could get together for commando style missions versus Borg (or other threats) In fact Foundry created missions could be RPed, or perhaps various STO missions.
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Post by Captain Erys Murai on Jan 3, 2013 21:37:14 GMT -5
I've always used MACO gear as standard-issue combat armor ('course it helps that there's a MACO contingent on my ship), since the gear already has a Starfleet-style combadge built into the armor, and has a look similar to the 2370's EV suit. The OF gear, I kinda assumed was black ops-style gear due to the look of it. The kind of equipment that elite fighting teams (25th-century equivalent to SEAL teams) would wear when they don't want to be associated with any specific group. Since OF is comprised of both Federation and Klingon assets, I also assumed the gear they were using was neutrally-acquired, or was specially designed for use against the Borg. Doesn't really mean anything, just how I saw it.
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Post by Captain T'Pang on Jan 3, 2013 21:45:17 GMT -5
I've always used MACO gear as standard-issue combat armor ('course it helps that there's a MACO contingent on my ship), since the gear already has a Starfleet-style combadge built into the armor, and has a look similar to the 2370's EV suit. The OF gear, I kinda assumed was black ops-style gear due to the look of it. The kind of equipment that elite fighting teams (25th-century equivalent to SEAL teams) would wear when they don't want to be associated with any specific group. Since OF is comprised of both Federation and Klingon assets, I also assumed the gear they were using was neutrally-acquired, or was specially designed for use against the Borg. Doesn't really mean anything, just how I saw it. There are a lot of ways to see this, which is my issue. I was curious if there was a canon IC take on all this. As I see you are correct in the the OF really seems more like a covert ops or special ops sort of gear and the MACO armor seems more like something Starfleet might use.But the MACO armor is speifically labled as such and ICly MACOs are separate from Starfleet. Which doesn't mean anything really I suppose?
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Post by Vice Admiral Brian Donaldson on Jan 4, 2013 7:37:46 GMT -5
In my mind, i always felt MACOs wear MACO Armor and Starfleet wore something less... bulky and combat oriented. I mean, we do have a standard Fleet Combat Uniform and i know the Indy had a specific combat uni... hell, we really never see Starfleet wear anything other then their normal duty uniforms in all canon combat situations depicted. Anything other then the normal duty uniform always seemed out of character for Starfleet to me.
ICly, I can easily see a commando-styled combat dedicated group... like the MACOs... have heavy combat armor, but i dont feel the same about Starfleet.
But thats just my own personal opinion.
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Post by Captain T'Pang on Jan 4, 2013 10:09:40 GMT -5
In my mind, i always felt MACOs wear MACO Armor and Starfleet wore something less... bulky and combat oriented. I mean, we do have a standard Fleet Combat Uniform and i know the Indy had a specific combat uni... hell, we really never see Starfleet wear anything other then their normal duty uniforms in all canon combat situations depicted. Anything other then the normal duty uniform always seemed out of character for Starfleet to me. ICly, I can easily see a commando-styled combat dedicated group... like the MACOs... have heavy combat armor, but i dont feel the same about Starfleet. But thats just my own personal opinion. Consider that Starfleet is 1) a peacekeeping group and beaming down in heavy combat armor does not convey a peace keeping message. 2) Starfleet primarily operates in space and lets be honest how well do you think that MACO armor is going to hold up to a photon torpedo strike, so why bother you may as well be comfortable. I would tend to agree that 99.9% of the time Starfleet personnel beam down into a potentially hazerdous situation that may turn into a combat situation they will just be wearing thier duty uniforms. After all as peace keepers they are expected to try and keep things from coming to blows. On those rare time when they have to beam down and deal with Borg or something, well... Just between you and me if I beam down to fight the Borg I want a few layers of armor between me an those probe thingies. I don't want to get probed. Typically if there is any real ground fighting to do they send in the MACOs.
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Post by Vice Admiral Brian Donaldson on Jan 4, 2013 10:49:19 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly.
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Post by Captain Erys Murai on Jan 4, 2013 10:53:06 GMT -5
I suppose that would be up to the individual security teams. In the Sentinel's case, most of our security is MACO (or, more specifically, Delta Force), as is the Adagio's. So it stands to reason that Erys would also wear armor in combat, since it would be folly for the team leader to be less protected than the rest of his team. Especially when they know about the situation ahead of time. Obviously that shouldn't be the "norm", and what may be needed or rational for one ship is not necessarily so for every ship. While Adagio and Sentinel may be more combat-oriented, the Endeavour and Ayanami may not be. I tend to view the Sentinel and Adagio as exceptions to the rule.That being said, that armor has saved Erys' life on more than one occasion, even outside of combat. During the Genesis Torpedo incident, Erys was the only person on the bridge wearing armor (as she had just come back from a combat situation, and not changed out of it), and was the only person not seriously injured or killed. A couple weeks later, Tholians invaded the ship, and one of them brought out a sword. That sword was one of the "special" Tholian swords that absorbs energy, so rather than wasting shots, Erys went in for a hand-to-hand kill. During that fight, the Tholian almost cut her arm off, stopped only by the armor she was wearing (and even then, only barely). Lastly, keep in mind too that in the movies era, security guards did wear armor. So there is a precedent for it. Remember this little gem? I dunno about you, but I'd much rather steal MACO armor. ;D
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Post by Captain Anja Malitzka on Jan 4, 2013 11:54:10 GMT -5
If there's reason to expect ground combat, I'd send the force down prepared for it with whatever offensive and defensive equipment I have available. The fact that the Federation has been in a declared state of war with a number of factions for some times means that they'd have most of their ships prepared for that sort of eventuality.
Most of the time in Star Trek, away teams aren't beaming down for combat, they're doing exploration, diplomacy, or investigation, so they wouldn't need, or necessarily want, combat armor. Any combat mission should require all deployed persons to be properly equipped.
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Post by Vice Admiral Brian Donaldson on Jan 4, 2013 12:29:09 GMT -5
If there's reason to expect ground combat, I'd send the force down prepared for it with whatever offensive and defensive equipment I have available. The fact that the Federation has been in a declared state of war with a number of factions for some times means that they'd have most of their ships prepared for that sort of eventuality. Most of the time in Star Trek, away teams aren't beaming down for combat, they're doing exploration, diplomacy, or investigation, so they wouldn't need, or necessarily want, combat armor. Any combat mission should require all deployed persons to be properly equipped. Makes perfect sense to me. ;D I was just saying that in my opinion, armor looks out of place on a Starfleet Officer... but thats just becasue ive been spoiled by years of Trek shows where reality was often times pushed to the wayside
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Post by Captain Anja Malitzka on Jan 4, 2013 14:00:08 GMT -5
I was just saying that in my opinion, armor looks out of place on a Starfleet Officer... but thats just becasue ive been spoiled by years of Trek shows where reality was often times pushed to the wayside That's because, based on the sometimes terrible costume design, they'd have shown up wearing laser tag outfits.
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