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Post by Lt Cmdr Jonathan Cameron on Aug 4, 2016 17:52:02 GMT -5
I prefer to where I can take nuggets of canon whether soft or hard and expand on it. The basis is still in what came before but you take it in your own direction.
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Post by DGM Soft Kitty on Aug 4, 2016 18:03:07 GMT -5
True. And I only use it for ideas otherwise with most races you are out in the wind. I mean even Vulcans and Klingons probably the two most on screen races besides humans we know very little about them so you have to make up shit sometimes if that particular thing hasn't already been brought up. I also like how the fleet and even the post tng series are darker. I enjoy Trek but to me it's a C sometimes B- franchise. Most of that's from the 60's god awful era sci fi that birthed it and how it is extreme rose tinted glasses at others. I think it improved a lot after Rodeberry was out of the picture. Hell you can totally see were he majorly stole from Arthur C Clark if you read his old short stories. In particular where he writes about a group of alien species who have come together to explore called the federation... Having problems to overcome and the good guys not always winning is much more genuine than say Riker bitching about playing war games because it's beneath them yet turning around and being a strategic war fighting genus latter that episode. Allow me to defend My Father's fav series and call nonsense on some of that 'crap' in regards to TOS. TOS was hardly TNG (Which is the Star Trek that began the overall come together feel good everyone is perfect and in peace nonsense.) TOS is a lot darker than TNG, i still remember being creeped out by such things as the Horta and even the big caveman thingies from The Galileo Seven (Had soo much fun blasting those things in the new expansion) The creepy feel of the unseen and the spears being scrapped over the shield sounds freaked me out as a little girl. Good TOS always had a dark dark scary edge to it. 'Wolf In the Fold' Is another one that comes to mind. It was written by author Robert Bloch (Who wrote Psycho and a ton of Jack The Ripper Fiction and wrote of the Twilight Zone). The creepy Londonesque feel of the Argelian City's foggy alleys and the seance sequence always got me too (Still does with Sol Kaplan's music )...the Cloud creature in Obsession and of course the chilling M-5 and its psychotic breakdown of reasoning...(Which we all know spawned some really dark rp and stories for the Sentinel through the kitty ) Also TOS did not always have a happy ending...The Balance Of Terror, Kirk lost and officer (Who was just about to me married... ) and the people who died on the outposts and a Romulan Commander and his crew died (A commander who was weary of war...all of who in the end died for nothing show casing the horror of such a mindset) The poor Lazarus-es of the Alternative Factor (The silly matter antimatter eppy where one sane Lazarus is trapped forever in an sealed cooridor between both universes with his very insane counterpart battle and clawing at each other for eternity to safeguard BOTH universes.) Kirk's last quote still sticks with me when Spock indicates everyone is saved Kirk Laments.."What of Lazarus and...what of Lazarus?" that always creeped me out.. I am sooooo sure the Colonel could go on But it was such eppies that spawned the same mentality in DS9 to show a grittier less perfect Starfleet and UFP. (Kitty's fav! \o/) Also Star Trek's core idea itself was from Forbidden Planet..which I still watch every Halloween Night with K Its hardly a light hearted come together feel good things from that era...a rce wiped out by their own inner beats and the last elelmt of their folly lures some explorers into where the last person to fall victim to it..can not be saved...nor can even the world that spawned it...not exactly a happy feel good end Nope that nonsense was spawned much later in the TNG era When Gene was given more creative control.
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Post by Kossuth on Aug 4, 2016 19:18:00 GMT -5
I have no idea what happened to Roddenberry between the 1960s and the 1980s. I felt like TOS was so good, but Roddenberry's work on TNG was so bad.
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Post by Lt Cmdr Jonathan Cameron on Aug 4, 2016 20:07:43 GMT -5
I have no idea what happened to Roddenberry between the 1960s and the 1980s. I felt like TOS was so good, but Roddenberry's work on TNG was so bad.Sometimes you lose your fastball.
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Post by Ensign Sebetharen Adryan on Aug 4, 2016 22:25:17 GMT -5
TOS Is what I grew up on. Still my favorite.
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Post by DGM Cygnus on Aug 4, 2016 23:57:13 GMT -5
The City on the Edge of Forever
The Conscience of the King
All Our Yesterdays
I am not certain Gene lost any edge, rather he wanted to show humanity as evolving into a species that embraced reason and understanding with balanced, sensible emotions. Star Fleet, as representatives of the Federation and its various peoples, needed to be examples of the ideals and those crews were entrusted to uphold the highest standards even in the most remote of locations.
I cannot blame Star Trek for not fully developing different races canon culture and history, or even traits. The idea of exploration, always discovering new life and new civilizations, means endless possibility. Different than human, always had an air of mystery in the story, as it is seen through the human perspective. Star Wars has hosts of various species with no real depth added as do many other sci-fi/fantasy works.
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Post by DGM Soft Kitty on Aug 5, 2016 0:23:47 GMT -5
OMG I forgot about Kodos!
-hugs Cyg- thank you!
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Post by Captain Erys Murai on Aug 5, 2016 11:10:33 GMT -5
I have no idea what happened to Roddenberry between the 1960s and the 1980s. I felt like TOS was so good, but Roddenberry's work on TNG was so bad.If you have netflix, look for "Chaos on the Bridge" by Shatner. He interviews a bunch of TNG cast and crew about the first two years, and it explains what happened to Gene toward the end. They also talk about how difficult it was to write a story about people who didn't have any conflict (which is why the first two seasons were mostly plot-based with outside antagonists, whereas later seasons focused more on character development). Long story short though, it was a combination of his increasingly poor health, his constant struggle with Paramount, and his poor response to the fame he'd garnered from TOS. The episodes he wrote, and the way the captain was portrayed, was a direct reflection on how Gene saw himself at that point (i.e. Kirk as the renegade ladies' man, Picard as the wise father figure). It also didn't help that the director was a stick in the mud and refused to deviate from his narrow interpretation of Gene's vision.
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Post by Lt Cmdr Jonathan Cameron on Aug 5, 2016 11:53:47 GMT -5
I still need to watch that documentary.
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