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Post by Captain T'Pang on Nov 7, 2011 15:43:48 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Joyaus Dalun on Nov 7, 2011 15:55:50 GMT -5
Funny AND Informative.
Also I think counselors get away with Murder for the sake of the mental health of the crew, don't they.
EDIT: This does make me think of one important thing to note about the Romulans. What IS their diplomatic status now anyway? The original government(Specifically the very one that Treaty of Algeron held true with) was killed during the Hobus Supernova. It's also become quite obvious they've fragmented into several factions and rogue states, with the Remans off doing their own thing too.
Would the trade embargo that made Romulan Ale illegal even still apply? Because honestly I think it's only really been implied to be Blue Alien Absinthe.
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Post by Captain T'Pang on Nov 7, 2011 16:39:48 GMT -5
Would the trade embargo that made Romulan Ale illegal even still apply? Because honestly I think it's only really been implied to be Blue Alien Absinthe. As far as I know the reason why Romulan Ale was/is illegal has never been explained. One possible reason is a trade embargo due to the poor relations with the Romulans. Such an embargo would not be dependent on a treaty, just the Federations relations with the Romulans. (sort of like Cuban cigars) Another reason could be that the possible health risks of the substance. This would be independent of the Federations relations with the Romulans and would only change if the powers than be changed thier minds about the adverse effects of Romulan ale. Sort of like schedule one drugs like cocaine or heroin. either way I doubt the ban on Romulan Ale would have been effected by the change in the Romulan government. As far as the Treaty of Algernon. Since the governement the treaty was made with is gone the terms of the treaty no longer apply. It has not been specifically stated if the Federation honors those terms or not. In game it has been sort of implied both ways. For example the Romulan neutral zone still exists (suggesting the treaty is still honored) yet then again the Federation is making cloaked ships (suggesting the treaty terms are not adhered to) Legally speaking the Federation would not be bound to adhere to a treaty with a government that no longer exists. But may adhere to it anyway if they recognize the authority of the government that superceeded the old one.
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Post by quinn6352 on Nov 7, 2011 16:42:04 GMT -5
The "Romulan Situation" has been brought up before in the Fleet and correct me if im wrong, nyoko, but facts that we know....
1: Romulan Star Empire is fractured, divided, and a mere shadow of it's former self. Many Romulan planets declared their independence from the empire and some of those have actively sought aid and alliances with the Federation.
2: The Romulan Neutral Zone has been desolved. Federation ships come and go as they please to and from former Romulan territory and viceversa.
3: Treaty of Algernon has been desolved due to the Romulans inability to enforce it and lack of a significant threat posed by the Empire. Hence the use of Federation Cloaking devices activily in use by Starfleet ships.
4: Romulan Space is very hostile. Multiple factions now exist. Some friendly to the Federation, some not. Some factions have taken to terrorism and some have openly declared war on the Federation.
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Post by Captain T'Pang on Nov 7, 2011 16:57:28 GMT -5
The "Romulan Situation" has been brought up before in the Fleet and correct me if im wrong, nyoko, but facts that we know.... I was in no way suggesting that the offical "fleet" story regarding the Romulan situation is or should be one way or another. I was refering to the fact that there has been no official (licenced content) word on the state of the treaty and the writers at STO have sent mixed messages regarding such things. Now if, as part of our fleet story, it has been decided the political situation is a certain way then that is the way it is. My point was not to start a debate about such matters. Of course the questions still remain: 1) why is/was Romulan ale illegal 2) How has the changes within the Romulan polital situation affectred the legality of Romulan Ale?
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Post by quinn6352 on Nov 7, 2011 18:11:31 GMT -5
my response wasnt directed to anyone, it was just a a statement to say where we stood in regards to that.
I was in the process of writing it when you posted, T'Pang, so i didnt see your response till after i posted it.
in regards to Romulan Ale being illigal... im gonna throw my opinion out there and say that im assuming its because of its high "alcohol" content and its high intoxication effects and sever after effects. not because of any treaty or lack there of.
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Post by Captain Joyaus Dalun on Nov 7, 2011 18:25:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure still that Romulan Ale's illegality was primarily a Trade embargo issue.
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Post by Vice Admiral Nyoko Honda on Nov 7, 2011 18:29:07 GMT -5
Yeah romulus ale was a trade thing.
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Post by Captain Joyaus Dalun on Nov 7, 2011 18:33:57 GMT -5
Sorry to bring it up, It's something that's been bothering me for awhile.
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Post by quinn6352 on Nov 7, 2011 21:22:51 GMT -5
you guys are probobly right, but everytime they talk about Romulan Ale and someone drinks it, they always have a splitting headache and say...
"Romulan ale should be illegal" -grumbles as the after effects of the drink take their toll on the drinker-
and the response is always...
"it is." lol. i know i didnt need to quote but, it always makes me laugh.
anyways, what i was goin for was showing that everyone that drinks it always regrets it afterwords and says it should be illigal due to its effects on the body.
But, you guys could be equally as right. It could be like Cuba and the U.S.
Trade embargo makes cuban cigars illegal to own, sell, or trade in U.S. territory.
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Post by Doctor Jonas Bell on Nov 7, 2011 21:41:18 GMT -5
The Deep Space Nine episode "Inter Arma Enim Silent Legis" specifically states that the reason for the ban on Romulan Ale was a trade embargo, which they also mention as having been lifted as a result of the alliance during the Dominion War. This is reinforced in other episodes where the drink is sold on Deep Space Nine, after the Romulans enter the war, such as "Covenant". Seeing as no mention is ever made of the embargo being reasserted, and that the Federation has actively sought to aid certain Romulan factions, it is safe to assume the drink is still legal.
Edit: Also, "In the Pale Moonlight" suggests that most things Romulan were under embargo when a Romulan senator comments on the poor job Starfleet replicators do at making Romulan beverages. Sisko replies that they have little experience with Romluan beverages and that would all change "if we became allies instead of cold-warriors".
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Post by Captain Joyaus Dalun on Nov 7, 2011 21:51:45 GMT -5
Just remember, if anyone mentions that it should be illegal, "Well it used to be."
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Post by quinn6352 on Nov 7, 2011 21:53:45 GMT -5
i remember that episode now. i forgot. ;D
i remember Admiral Ross taking a drink and it was a little too much for him to take, but he did it. good scene.
theres your answer, right there. I agree with bell's statement.
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Post by Captain Erys Murai on Nov 8, 2011 15:35:37 GMT -5
Yeah, and then after the Dominion War, it was suddenly illegal again (see also: Star Trek Nemesis).
For reference, DS9 ended in 2375, whereas Nemesis takes place in 2379. Apparently the embargo was reestablished sometime during that 4-year period.
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Post by Doctor Jonas Bell on Nov 8, 2011 20:29:19 GMT -5
I forgot about that wedding scene in Nemesis. Mainly, because that movie is even worse than usual in terms of trampling canon. Which is saying a lot for Star Trek
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