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Post by Captain Erys Murai on Jun 22, 2013 15:20:20 GMT -5
Our current uniform (Sierra 1) has served us well for more than 3 years. But with the recent completion of the Starbase, a new possibility exists. While it's not completely "free", this uniform does not come with a real-money cost like C-store uniforms, and there is no restriction on who can buy it once a character is in the fleet. The Basic Odyssey uniform comes with a jacket, pants, and boots, and costs 16,000 dilithium and 8,000 fleet credits per character. For some this might be a lot, but it is not an insurmountable cost for most. If you don't have the time to earn dilithium, you can exchange zen for dilithium, and the fleet credits are simply a matter of time if you help us complete fleet projects. And so, I recommend the following as our new fleet-wide uniform (or as an additional option. (Ship-specific uniforms would be unaffected, of course). Skirts optional, but shown with pants. Officer Duty Uniform: Shirt Colors: H1, Division, H4, H6 Pant Color: H1 Badge: Silver + gold (or just silver if single-tone badge is shown) Rank color: Silver I used the AGT badge because it's canon, and because I like it. If the AGT is still not acceptable, I recommend the First Contact / DS9 badge be used instead.
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Post by Captain T'Pang on Jun 22, 2013 17:02:00 GMT -5
Ultimately I have no issue with such a change. The color scheme is fine with me, I like the look and it is reminiscent of the DS9/TNG Film uniform colors. Apparently the Endeavor is using something almost exactly the same (very minor Color differences in spots.)
One note on the Alternate future badge, it is a 100 day veteran reward so one can not get it without paying money. While I personally love the badge and think it should be an option on uniforms. I don't know that we can make it a required feature of the uniform.
Also there should be a skirt option with this uniform. Plus if we change up the fleet uniform, how would this affect the dress uniform?
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Post by Captain Erys Murai on Jun 22, 2013 17:13:03 GMT -5
One note on the Alternate future badge, it is a 100 day veteran reward so one can not get it without paying money. While I personally love the badge and think it should be an option on uniforms. I don't know that we can make it a required feature of the uniform. Yeah, I thought of that. As I said in the original post, if the AGT badge isn't possible, then I recommend the FC / DS9 / Voy badge instead. Also there should be a skirt option with this uniform. Plus if we change up the fleet uniform, how would this affect the dress uniform? Also covered in the original post. Canonically, by season 3 of TNG almost everyone wore pants on duty. It's not a gender thing either. Both men and women wore the same uniform, especially after First Contact (even Troi wore it). That being said, in my first post I stated "Ship-specific uniforms would be unaffected, of course. Skirts optional, but shown with pants." I did not show skirts, but that doesn't mean I don't think anyone should wear them. As for the dress uniform, I tried to make an Odyssey version of our current dress uniform (white with black shoulders), but it just looked weird to me. At this point I'm not including the dress uniform.
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Post by Captain T'Pang on Jun 22, 2013 17:20:34 GMT -5
Also covered in the original post. Canonically, by season 3 of TNG almost everyone wore pants on duty. It's not a gender thing either. Both men and women wore the same uniform, especially after First Contact (even Troi wore it). me. Actually what I meant to say was that I feel that when one unlocks the uniform set it should come with a skirt option, just like the SFA cadet uniform. Although the point about Starfleet people always being depicted wearing pants after a certain point is valid. Although early TNG episodes some didn't wear pants (even some of the guys) As far as the dress uniform, I would have to agree the uniform would look weird in white. TNG Film/Late Season DS9 had a totally different uniform for dress. In game its the uniform one unlocks with diplo commendation.
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Post by Captain Erys Murai on Jun 22, 2013 17:31:11 GMT -5
Oh, yeah. I think I remember seeing NPC's in an Odyssey-variant skirt. But what we have right now is the "basic" uniform. Hopefully they'll release additional options at some point.
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Post by Vice Admiral Nyoko Honda on Jun 22, 2013 17:32:13 GMT -5
The Only Problem is. People have to pay for Odessye in Dilithum. Which is alot of work, or some money. So the OOC Logiestics have always forced the fleet to go with a free unifrom over premium ones.
The other suggestion I recommend is that less grey, more color. Sorta like the Voyager Outfits rather then the ds9 outfits. (War has been over for little while now).
And- Skirts will never be outlawed as variant option in the fleet.
The GM's have always wanted the Vairent combadge as somthing in teh future. So they can give them the option represent time travel, or something "Futureisticaly". If you make the varient standard? Then leaves no options GM's in this space.
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Post by Captain T'Pang on Jun 22, 2013 17:57:17 GMT -5
The Only Problem is. People have to pay for Odessye in Dilithum. Which is alot of work, or some money. So the OOC Logiestics have always forced the fleet to go with a free unifrom over premium ones. Sure the uniform cost Fleet Credits and dilithium but it is hardly a premium uniform after all 16,000 dilithium is not that hard to collect and requires no outlay of money only some time and effort. I personally see no problem in expecting players to put forth some sort of effort toward the fleet holdings to obtain the standard fleet uniform, seems only fair. We can always retain the older fleet uniform as a fall back for new players and as a transition while players earn the resources to obtain the new uniform.
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Post by VADM Meranda Kalavek (Ret.) on Jun 22, 2013 18:02:27 GMT -5
You can process 8k dilithium a day so that's two days or not even a full weekend. You could just do dof missions like turning in contraband for dilithium. The contraband u can get from the exchange or dof missions and u can do the mission ever so many hours for 2k dilithium each.
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Post by Captain T'Pang on Jun 22, 2013 18:19:52 GMT -5
You can process 8k dilithium a day so that's two days or not even a full weekend. You could just do dof missions like turning in contraband for dilithium. The contraband u can get from the exchange or dof missions and u can do the mission ever so many hours for 2k dilithium each. It took me only like three or four days to earn 17,000 dilithium and I wasn't even trying that hard. Mostly through DOFF missions. Ultimately earning fleet credits will be the critical area. And I see no problem in making contributions to the fleet holdings as a requirement to obtaining the fleet uniform.
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Post by Captain Erys Murai on Jun 22, 2013 18:37:26 GMT -5
The Only Problem is. People have to pay for Odessye in Dilithum. Which is alot of work, or some money. So the OOC Logiestics have always forced the fleet to go with a free unifrom over premium ones. Yes, they have to pay for the uniform with in-game resources (specifically dilithium and fleet credits). The major roadblock to using other uniforms is that they required real money (i.e. cstore unlocks). This is not an issue with the Odyssey uniform, because both dilithium and fleet credits are attainable in-game. Especially now that we have the fleet mine available to us. As we upgrade it, dilithium will be even easier to get, making the uniform effectively cheaper than it already is. This has the added benefit of encouraging players to participate in fleet projects (in order to get the 8,000 fleet credits). I know Meranda would appreciate the help. The other suggestion I recommend is that less grey, more color. Sorta like the Voyager Outfits rather then the ds9 outfits. (War has been over for little while now). You like bright and shiny, I like uniforms that are more military in appearance. Regardless of whether or not we're at war, Starfleet is organized as a military (with other responsibilities). I'm also not trying to replace the ship-specific uniforms, so it's not like you couldn't still wear the Jupiter uniforms like you have been. And- Skirts will never be outlawed as variant option in the fleet. At no point did I ever suggest that skirts should be outlawed. I just didn't show them because the Odyssey uniform doesn't come with a matching skirt. --- I would like to add that I have no problem keeping the Sierra 1 uniform as a completely free option. But some of us have invested a lot into the Fleet specifically so we could start using the Odyssey uniform. At the very least, I'd like the Odyssey uniform (as posted above) to be added as an option.
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Post by Vice Admiral Nyoko Honda on Jun 22, 2013 19:04:41 GMT -5
Well as I said always. IC Leadership of the fleet should meet and figure out the unifrom and put a request in. I don't have any particular problem with Odyessy. I think it looks sharp. Maybe our tastes vary on the amount of color. That for the IC Leadership of the fleet to debate.
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Post by DGM Cygnus on Jun 22, 2013 19:24:37 GMT -5
Nothing is stopping members from putting in the effort now to acquire their Ship uniform, but some do not. It is possible to convert Dilithium into Zen, yes?
The other catch is we allow ship Captains to design their own ship uniform, which people are expected to be in and what they wear most of the time in events. The Fleet uniform presently is a fall back to provide any member the ability to be in uniform regardless of effort put in or money spent.
If you are going to force players to spend resources on a uniform, then it will likely be at the cost of having individual ship uniforms.
Also if we start providing too many uniform options, it not really much of a uniform anymore...since it is not very...uniform and no one will know if people are in or out of uniform...
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Post by Captain Anja Malitzka on Jun 22, 2013 19:36:44 GMT -5
Personally, I've always found the 'each ship gets its own uniform' thing to be a bit silly. I understand that's how we've done things in the past, but it contradicts the way things should be and to some extent reinforces the separation between ships, the fleet barely feels like a cohesive unit most of the time. So losing ship uniforms isn't a big thing for me, but this is the sort of thing we should probably vote on.
As for the cost? There are members of the fleet who are willing to help others out. You get dilithium as a side benefit for a lot of the things to get fleet marks, which in turn get turned into credit to help buy the uniform, we can offer help figuring out the least stressful methods for obtaining dilithium and fleet credit, and the whole thing would actually improve the feeling of the fleet being a cohesive whole. And then there will be some option available for those who don't have it yet or would prefer not to put in the work (or are unable to put in the work for whatever reason).
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Post by DGM Cygnus on Jun 22, 2013 19:39:36 GMT -5
Since it is encroaching on ship Captain privilege, it will be up to each ship Captain to get the votes and feedback from their crew and be the final say for their ship. Then we will take it from there.
Side note, nothing is stopping players from organizing and working together in game on out of character events to have fun and gets resources for the fleet.
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Post by Captain Erys Murai on Jun 22, 2013 19:50:21 GMT -5
Since it is encroaching on ship Captain privilege, it will be up to each ship Captain to get the votes and feedback from their crew and then we will take it from there. Side note, nothing is stopping players from organizing and working together in game on out of character events to have fun and gets resources for the fleet. ~the demoness It's only encroaching if we push for removal of the ship-specific uniforms, which I'm not proposing. If that proposal is to be made, I would ask that it be made in another thread. Whether or not other players are willing to spend real money on ship-specific uniforms is hardly a reason to deny this. While it's true that dilithium can be exchanged for zen, the exchange rate is such that it would require a somewhat significant amount of effort to aquire. (400 zen is currently equivalent to around 42,000 dilithium) Compared to the cost of cstore uniforms, the Odyssey uniform is dirt cheap in terms of dilithium. As for having "too many" uniforms, we currently have one fleet uniform, and would be adding a second if this proposal goes through. Even the US military currently has multiple uniforms (i.e. Army and Air Force have desert, jungle, and dress, Navy has Duty, Tan and White dress). Whether or not a ship adds other options is up to them, and shouldn't affect the rest of us. Even if you take other ships into acount, we currently have about six options for uniform, most of which are specific to a certain ship (Adagio, Endeavour, Ayanami, Pilgrim, Sentinel, and Fleet). How to solve that problem? Simple. As long as crew members are aboard their ship or serving aboard their ship, they wear whatever the captain requires. When attending official Fleet functions (Ceremonies, meetings, or working aboard the starbase, for example), wear either the Fleet or Dress uniforms as required by the event. That way there's no confusion as to who is "in uniform".
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