Ensign Sebetharen Adryan
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Post by Ensign Sebetharen Adryan on Aug 17, 2016 0:45:15 GMT -5
The little shoutbox convo with Lindsey actually made me think about the difference in everyday training. I decided I'd open a little discussion on what would be considered normal training for both types, since they each have a different job.
Security Personnel: I'd imagine more time goes into strength training than endurance training for the reason that Security is considered a static, reactionary force. You don't expect them to need the endurance since they shouldn't be running for any real length of time. That's not to say they wouldn't do endurance conditioning, I just can't imagine them putting a focus into it simply because they're more for subduing others than anything else. Not to say an individual can't add it to their routine to be more flexible as far as endurance goes, just the standard expectation of security would be to stand around and guard things. Obviously they do more, but on a regular day, this is it.
Delta Personnel: They put equal emphasis into both strength and endurance training, simply because their job demands it. They are often called to do different missions than Security that require rapid movement, as well as carrying a buttload of gear, if they cannot get direct support. Delta are the cream of the crop, and their on-duty hours and a lot of their off duty hours are all devoted to training and familiarization with equipment. The Tigershark crash was one example of their necessity for both training types, as a team was sent ahead to secure the base and dig in to give overwatch to the rest of the main body. Standard security doesn't have that training (ATT is technically Delta training. Not all Tactical officers get this, as it's a requirement for Delta. If a TOff has this and isn't Delta, it's usually for a good reason, or because they lost their position. Seb was one of those people who lost his rank and position and had to earn his right to retrain to get back into Delta)
So, since this is a discussion, what do the rest of you think of the differences in the training and daily duties between Security and Delta?
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Post by Ensign Lindsey Wellington on Aug 17, 2016 0:57:30 GMT -5
I am with you on the matter that Delta Personal has to have a totaly different training then Security. Simply out of the fact that they come in, when Security can't handle the matter. You are the bulldozer, where Security does the finer work. They are the Policemen of Starfleet, Delta's are SWAT. At least thats my understanding.
With that in mind i would come to the conclusion that is standard for this kind of personal on earth. We still have to differ from actual military, even if deltas or security often use military tactics. Starfleet are explorers. If we watch Film/Series History, the first i saw something like that was with Voyager. And they did it because they had to. After this series it is possible that little delta teams were stationed at regular combat vessels. If we take the Enterprise E and the fight against the borg in First Contact, we did see regular Sercurity Personal again to defend the ship against the borg. So it was not even always the case that this kind of unit is on a ship.
For that it is realy something special. Now to the training part:
In regular Policeforce you simply need to have a normal body fitness. Running is pretty important in the job as you have to be able to run after fugatives. So it is not only the strengh part. This may also be the case for regular Security Personal. Even if the space to run in 'space' is relativly limited it is possible that a fugative wants to run and brings this way more danger to the crews and personal on a station or a spaceship. If stuff turns into a Hostage Situation, thats where normaly in my mind Deltas would take over.
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Ensign Sebetharen Adryan
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Post by Ensign Sebetharen Adryan on Aug 17, 2016 1:02:39 GMT -5
Full on agree, really. But compared to the shows/movies of the 24th century, things are a lot more war-like. Since the beginning of the 25th century, Starfleet had engaged in wars, starting from the Klingon War to the Iconians. According to STO time, it's only beena year and a half. Which is complete bullshit. That's why it's 2420 for 22nd timeline. We more realistically spaced out the engagement, but then we're talking 15 years of almost constant war. While Starfleet isn't a real military in it's finest definition, it has to take on a more military role simply because those are the times. Which was why Omega then Delta were created.
EDIT: Unrelated to the discussion but of a little historical note to 22nd canon: Daddy Delta recently died. From what I understand, Tiberius Asada was the spearhead which created Delta. Though, this is not the first, and likely will not be the last, time he has died.
EDIT2: Reminds me, I forgot to add that to the SF page on the Wiki.
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Post by Ensign Lindsey Wellington on Aug 17, 2016 1:17:38 GMT -5
Yeah i understand the matter of the case, but as it seams not only canon in all of STO that regular Security Personal has now to be fitter, too. I would love to have this kind of topic as an IC Matter to discuss. So Detlas could somehow say "You Security People are dinosaurs of your time. We are at War, Starfleet has to change stuff and your training." Security again could say to that "Yeah that may be the case, but Starfleet should even in this times never forget their origins. We have to be careful or we will change into something we never wanted to be." That would make great discussions
Edit: It is as always. OOC Discussion's are important, but you have to be careful that you do not steal your content from the IC, because things could also be talked about there.
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Ensign Sebetharen Adryan
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Delta Operations Team Leader
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Post by Ensign Sebetharen Adryan on Aug 17, 2016 1:20:32 GMT -5
Actually, by 22nd standards we're "at peace" for the first time in a long time. There are no official wars, just a lot of internal strife. There are those calling for the disbanding of organizations like Delta Operations, among others pressing to return to the days of peaceful exploration, all in a time where it was revealed that Starfleet itself, even among the highest levels, has a bit of an.. ethics problem.
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Post by Ensign Lindsey Wellington on Aug 17, 2016 1:24:51 GMT -5
Well then you already have that. I would not ask for an OOC answer on that question then. Oh i can think of so much cool stuff happening within starfleet. Disband Delta? People might fear for their job. There could even be Deltas that go on secret missions to make war happening again, just so they can keep their jobs. (Inside Job's anyone?) So much content, dont take that away because you ask for a consens ooc what has to be. People will build their chars and storys from there.
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Ensign Sebetharen Adryan
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Delta Operations Team Leader
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Post by Ensign Sebetharen Adryan on Aug 17, 2016 1:44:46 GMT -5
No, we just discuss our views on things here, OOCly. We let things ICly happen on their own, but we never decide on a path to take in any OOC manner, that's the exact opposite of what roleplaying is. ICly there are those that are vocal for Delta's place in the new peace, and think they should be gotten rid of. (Alice Walker is sort of on this bandwagon)
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Post by Ensign Lindsey Wellington on Aug 17, 2016 1:52:34 GMT -5
Ah sorry, then i understood you wrong.
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Post by Lt Cmdr Lonah Demorrie on Aug 17, 2016 3:13:50 GMT -5
One of the reasons Lonah was dropped from Omeaga. The new peace she's experienced operatives getting dropped to other positions. That and she punched out an LT for calling old targ.
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Post by Lt Cmdr Tiberius Asada on Aug 17, 2016 5:29:18 GMT -5
EDIT: Unrelated to the discussion but of a little historical note to 22nd canon: Daddy Delta recently died. From what I understand, Tiberius Asada was the spearhead which created Delta. Though, this is not the first, and likely will not be the last, time he has died. This stems from the Klingon war. In 2413, the USS Adagio (the original one) was sent into Pi Canis on a mission to disrupt Klingon efforts from behind enemy lines. The Admiralty sent the Adagio in with stealth baffle plating, but no cloaking device. Ensign Asada had the idea of assembling the "best of the best" of the Security staff into a special forces team called "Delta" for the purpose of stealing a cloaking device from a KDF ship. The Adagio managed to successfully ambush a KDF ship, beam aboard the Delta team, recover the cloaking device, and escape before the Klingons could retaliate. The Delta model was adapted by other ships after this event. And no comment as to whether his death is permanent.
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Post by Kossuth on Aug 17, 2016 6:43:33 GMT -5
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Post by Lt Cmdr Billie Jo Spencer MD on Aug 17, 2016 7:37:39 GMT -5
Well that is a piece of fleet history.
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Post by DGM Soft Kitty on Aug 17, 2016 7:55:29 GMT -5
Haha its funny how much Delta Daddy tends to forget the support and effort his skipper gave him over delta's birth and use
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Post by Lt Cmdr Tiberius Asada on Aug 17, 2016 8:04:08 GMT -5
Haha its funny how much Delta Daddy tends to forget the support and effort his skipper gave him over delta's birth and use No way Talia is one of his big heroes. Although I don't think they've met face to face in years for some reason.
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Post by DGM Soft Kitty on Aug 17, 2016 8:43:44 GMT -5
No they havent sadly I dont think Talia has much of a social life.... She can read a stirring eulogy for him though
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